Sunday, September 25, 2016

Episode 26: Steven Universe and Nostalgia part 2


Episode 26: Steven Universe and Nostalgia pt. 2
Hosts: Frank Shaw and John Belliston
Produced by Hobos in the Back Row
Scripting by Frank Shaw
Edited by: Frank Shaw
Graphic Design by: Nathan Newell
Intro Music: Piano Sonata mvnt 1 by F.G. Shaw
Outro Music: Piano Sonata mvnt 3 by F.G. Shaw

There aren't a lot of show notes for this episode. Just a couple of links to some articles that we felt were quite relevant to the topic. Steven Universe is something that John absolutely loves (and if you've listened to the podcast that's quite apparent) and it's something that Frank enjoys as well. So this is a cartoon we'll revisit, probably next fall.

This first link is an article addressing nostalgia from the perspective of "queer kids" that grew up in the 90's. Neither John, nor Frank can fully identify with this perspective, but we can empathize and sympathize with this perspective. Homosexuality is something that society has become more comfortable and accepting of. The cautiousness of the 90's has given way to Steven Universe, a cartoon that openly shows same sex relationships, but in such a way that it never comes across as preachy. The genius of the show is how it embraces the idea of love and family and friendship. Those are the real themes of the cartoon, and ultimately it helps trigger those warm longing feelings of nostalgia that we seem to seek as we grow older.

The second article is an in depth commentary of the nostalgia of Steven Universe. This is the article where the quote from Mad Men is used that I quoted in the episode. It touches on some of the same stuff we did, but is worth a read, just for the author's enthusiasm for the series.

Nostalgia is subjective. John and Frank get that. They understand that that what triggers those wonderful feels in one person won't necessarily be the same for the next. We heavily criticized Stranger Things (despite enjoying the series) for forcing the nostalgia. Some people might be inclined to do the same with Steven Universe. Nostalgia will have a part 3 on the podcast, probably sooner than later.

Sunday, September 4, 2016

Episode 25: John Hate's What You Love: Stranger Things and Nostalgia pt. 1



Episode 25: John Hate's What You Love: Stranger Things and Nostalgia pt. 1
Hosts: Frank Shaw and John Belliston
Produced by Hobos in the Back Row
Scripting by Frank Shaw
Edited by: Frank Shaw
Graphic Design by: Nathan Newell
Intro Music: Piano Sonata mvnt 1 by F.G. Shaw
Outro Music: Piano Sonata mvnt 3 by F.G. Shaw


Some rather involved note's this time. Partly to touch on a few things that we meant to discuss but neglected to, partly to clarify our position on the show.

First, in case it's not clear from the episode, John and I do like the series. Quite a lot actually. But we have, and the podcast illustrates this, some major complaints and criticisms about the series. Mostly how it seeks to completely create nostalgia whole-cloth by emulating intellectual properties from the 80's. This may work for some (a lot) of viewers. The next podcast explores nostalgia a bit more, and it's a subject that we'll come back to,  but now let's jump into the articles both sources for the podcast, and interesting articles that we discovered after the fact.

There's several well documented lists that detail the inspiration for the series. The Duffer brothers also detail many of the inspirational sources themselves in various interviews.  Some of the inspirations are blatantly obvious as you watch the series, some are more subtle. There are things the series does right. The fact that it is essentially a 7 1/2 hour film, and is able to explore characters that would not normally be explored through the course of the film. Winona Ryder's character, as well as her older son's story is developed and interesting. The character of Nancy is also explored, which would not have happened had this simply been a film.

The monster, the Demogorgon, both of us have some issues with. John is disappointed that it isn't stranger and more ominous than it ends up being. (I am too.) There was a lot of potential with the monster initially. The concept art for it shows that it could have been so much more than it actually was. My major complaint is that the Duffy brothers, and the series itself, doesn't bother to attribute the Lovecraftian horror influence that the source material that inspired them is clearly pulling from.

There's also something that we neglected to talk about (though I did tease it at one point with my E.T. comment), and that's the fact that Eleven is woefully neglected in many ways. And in many ways is a text book example of the "Smurfette Principle."  I had meant to bring up the idea that Eleven was essentially the token girl, but failed to during the course of the episode. Millie Bobby Brown is a great young actress and hopefully they explore her characters life, and move away from the horrible tragedy and making her the token magical creature (a la E.T.) that she ends up being in the first season.

Now for a couple of positive things: The Upside Down, what a fantastic idea! This is honestly one of my favorite parts of the show, and I'm very excited about being able to explore it more in the next season (I really hope they do.) The idea of a parallel universe is one of those sci-fi tropes that I just can't get enough of, and it's something that I fully embrace with this series. I love the idea of there being a side dimension along side our own and the fact that there is some scientific evidence that lends credence to the idea.

There are many questions left open at the end of the series. There's are fan theories about Will, Eleven, the Upside Down, the Demogorgon. We put forth our favorite theory about Eleven in the podcast as detailed in this video by Uproxx. There are other theories about the monster out there that are just as engaging. 

John (despite the title) and I really did enjoy the series. It's one of the reasons why we're so critical of it. We recognize all the things it does right (and it does a lot). While pointing out all of the things it does wrong. One of the things that we both feel missed the mark is the idea that it tries to manufacture the nostalgia for the viewer. This does, admittedly work for a lot of folks that watched the show, it didn't for us. It felt forced and unfortunately we both think it could have been better had it not attempted to do that.  The Duffer brothers have some genuine talent for creating interesting plots, and characters. There's a lot of potential in this IP and there's a lot of obvious love and passion that went into making it. So if you haven't, give the episode a listen for our full thoughts on the series and nostalgia. And if you haven't go watch Stranger Things, because despite our criticism it is really an enjoyable series.